diff --git a/ayanova/devdocs/todo.txt b/ayanova/devdocs/todo.txt
index a24b00af..ab1a91c5 100644
--- a/ayanova/devdocs/todo.txt
+++ b/ayanova/devdocs/todo.txt
@@ -6,19 +6,17 @@
 MISC ITEMS THAT CAME UP
 
 
-todo: data list view date filter
-	can't select EMPTY as one of the range choices, but it should be there, in fact should be there for any field
-	"No Value", "HasValue"
-todo: datalists set default sort order as most appropriate in default list views
-	already done for review and report
 todo: time picker no way to select NOW
 todo: time picker defaults to 12:00am when date is selected, how about current time instead?
 todo: date picker component add drop down quick pick:
 	i.e. Hour from now, Day from now, Week from now, Month from now.
-todo: date and time defaults for appointments and shit
-	mainly what to do with stop date for example in reminder, can set start, how to set stop?
+
 todo: datetime picker read only mode is grayed out, should not be?
 	probably still setting both readonly and disabled like old times
+
+
+
+
 todo: Server returned broken rules not showing in form beside the field in Question	
 	test on widget form to confirm
 todo: incorrect creds on login get "res is not defined" instead of proper error
diff --git a/ayanova/src/api/locale.js b/ayanova/src/api/locale.js
index 5856dbb1..aecb4ad0 100644
--- a/ayanova/src/api/locale.js
+++ b/ayanova/src/api/locale.js
@@ -188,6 +188,25 @@ export default {
       .toString();
   },
   ///////////////////////////////////////////////
+  // Get default start date time in api format
+  // (this is used to centralize and for future)
+  defaultStartDateTime(ofType) {
+    //ofType in future could be for
+    //different areas having different custom start / top times
+    //so will set that in all callers for future purposes, but
+    //for now, here going to ignore it and just default to now
+    //and now plus one hour
+    return {
+      start: window.$gz.DateTime.local()
+        .toUTC()
+        .toString(),
+      end: window.$gz.DateTime.local()
+        .plus({ hours: 1 })
+        .toUTC()
+        .toString()
+    };
+  },
+  ///////////////////////////////////////////////
   // Convert a utc date to local time zone
   // and return date only portion only in iso 8601
   // format (used by time and date picker components)
diff --git a/ayanova/src/components/date-time-control.vue b/ayanova/src/components/date-time-control.vue
index 74fae63c..9e6b3dcb 100644
--- a/ayanova/src/components/date-time-control.vue
+++ b/ayanova/src/components/date-time-control.vue
@@ -33,7 +33,7 @@
         </v-dialog>
       </v-col>
       <v-col xs6>
-        <v-dialog v-model="dlgtime" width="290px">
+        <v-dialog v-model="dlgtime" width="300px">
           <template v-slot:activator="{ on }">
             <v-text-field
               v-on="on"
@@ -58,6 +58,10 @@
               $ay.t("Delete")
             }}</v-btn>
             <v-spacer></v-spacer>
+            <v-btn text color="primary" @click="setNow()">{{
+              $ay.t("Now")
+            }}</v-btn>
+            <v-spacer></v-spacer>
             <v-btn text color="primary" @click="dlgtime = false">{{
               $ay.t("OK")
             }}</v-btn>
@@ -119,6 +123,11 @@ export default {
     }
   },
   methods: {
+    setNow() {
+      let v = window.$gz.locale.nowUTC8601String().split("T")[1];
+      this.updateTimeValue(v);
+      this.dlgtime = false;
+    },
     allErrors() {
       let ret = "";
       if (this.error != null) {
diff --git a/ayanova/src/components/time-control.vue b/ayanova/src/components/time-control.vue
index ffa4025f..ec01d3a8 100644
--- a/ayanova/src/components/time-control.vue
+++ b/ayanova/src/components/time-control.vue
@@ -2,7 +2,7 @@
   <v-row>
     <template v-if="!readonly">
       <v-col cols="12">
-        <v-dialog v-model="dlgtime" width="290px">
+        <v-dialog v-model="dlgtime" width="300px">
           <template v-slot:activator="{ on }">
             <v-text-field
               v-on="on"
@@ -26,6 +26,10 @@
               $ay.t("Delete")
             }}</v-btn>
             <v-spacer></v-spacer>
+            <v-btn text color="primary" @click="setNow()">{{
+              $ay.t("Now")
+            }}</v-btn>
+            <v-spacer></v-spacer>
             <v-btn text color="primary" @click="dlgtime = false">{{
               $ay.t("OK")
             }}</v-btn>
@@ -88,6 +92,11 @@ export default {
     }
   },
   methods: {
+    setNow() {
+      let v = window.$gz.locale.nowUTC8601String().split("T")[1];
+      this.updateTimeValue(v);
+      this.dlgtime = false;
+    },
     allErrors() {
       let ret = "";
       if (this.error != null) {
diff --git a/ayanova/src/views/home-reminder.vue b/ayanova/src/views/home-reminder.vue
index a533ce0e..41c4e41c 100644
--- a/ayanova/src/views/home-reminder.vue
+++ b/ayanova/src/views/home-reminder.vue
@@ -169,6 +169,15 @@ export default {
           await vm.getDataFromApi(vm.$route.params.recordid); //let getdata handle loading
         }
       } else {
+        //----------------------------------------------------------
+        //NEW OBJECT DEFAULTS
+        let defaultDates = window.$gz.locale.defaultStartDateTime(
+          window.$gz.type.Reminder
+        );
+        vm.obj.startDate = defaultDates.start;
+        vm.obj.stopDate = defaultDates.end;
+        //----------------------------------------------------------
+
         window.$gz.form.setFormState({
           vm: vm,
           loading: false
@@ -217,12 +226,13 @@ export default {
           wiki: null,
           customFields: "{}",
           tags: [],
-          startDate: window.$gz.locale.nowUTC8601String(),
+          startDate: null,
           stopDate: null,
           userId: window.$gz.store.state.userId,
           color: "#FFFFFFFF"
         },
-
+      //mStartDate = new SmartDate(DBUtil.CurrentWorkingDateTime);//case 1967 set starting date so can't save with no date
+      //mStopDate = new SmartDate(DBUtil.CurrentWorkingDateTime.AddHours(1));//case 1967 starting default
       tab: 0,
       formState: {
         ready: false,
diff --git a/ayanova/src/views/widget.vue b/ayanova/src/views/widget.vue
index 94d0dd84..dccdc9b6 100644
--- a/ayanova/src/views/widget.vue
+++ b/ayanova/src/views/widget.vue
@@ -270,6 +270,14 @@ export default {
           await vm.getDataFromApi(vm.$route.params.recordid); //let getdata handle loading
         }
       } else {
+        //----------------------------------------------------------
+        //NEW OBJECT DEFAULTS
+        let defaultDates = window.$gz.locale.defaultStartDateTime(
+          window.$gz.type.Widget
+        );
+        vm.obj.startDate = defaultDates.start;
+        vm.obj.endDate = defaultDates.end;
+        //----------------------------------------------------------
         window.$gz.form.setFormState({
           vm: vm,
           loading: false