diff --git a/ayanova/devdocs/todo.txt b/ayanova/devdocs/todo.txt
index d60ba97a..07a213cc 100644
--- a/ayanova/devdocs/todo.txt
+++ b/ayanova/devdocs/todo.txt
@@ -428,6 +428,8 @@ CURRENTLY DOING:
 		also any redundant support code that was related to duplication
 		NOT THE FOLLOWING THOUGH which are too complex to dupe at client
 			Translation, User, Purchaseorder, Contact, 
+	- New name should reflect it's a copy so user can see something changed
+		 otherwise hard to see it's a dupe except for the url bar
 
 
 
@@ -462,6 +464,21 @@ todo: purchase order dupe code at server is a bit sus.
 	is affecting inventory on duplicate??
 	Look into it.
 
+todo: work order remove all option - workorder duplicate brought up that it would be handy to be able to remove *all* of a grandchild collection
+	e.g. Scheduled users has a "Mark All for deletion" menu option to quickly remove a bunch
+	See item immediately below about this
+	maybe it's a menu option at top to just quickly remove all labor or whatever if it's a duplicate?
+
+todo: work order reset dates - for duplicate scenario and to replace templates 
+	some kind of option that changes all dates to move them forward or center around a date
+	might need to capture a created date in original wo
+	then can use that date to move all other dates relatively speaking
+	Not sure about this one, but it will be an issue
+	see how templates work in v7 as an idea
+	if they don't do labor and parts then having the ability to remove all parts or all labor from a work order would be the dandiest way to resolve this
+	so users can duplicate than slice out quickly the bits they don't want and bob's your lobster!!!
+
+
 todo: how to directly open a workorder quickly when you know the wo number??
 	should be supported, otherwise you need to scroll around a list to find it which is fucked
 
diff --git a/ayanova/src/views/acc-service-bank.vue b/ayanova/src/views/acc-service-bank.vue
index 478d940f..c3f48620 100644
--- a/ayanova/src/views/acc-service-bank.vue
+++ b/ayanova/src/views/acc-service-bank.vue
@@ -124,7 +124,7 @@ export default {
 
       //NOTE: THIS FORM IS CREATE ONLY NO OPEN OLD ONES SO...
 
-      //id 0 means create a new record don't load one
+      //id 0 means create or duplicate to new
       if (vm.$route.params.recordid != 0) {
         //Ok, we're here to *view* an existing record
         //so we must fetch the deets now
diff --git a/ayanova/src/views/acc-service-rate.vue b/ayanova/src/views/acc-service-rate.vue
index e45ff510..1b3b5539 100644
--- a/ayanova/src/views/acc-service-rate.vue
+++ b/ayanova/src/views/acc-service-rate.vue
@@ -220,7 +220,7 @@ export default {
       let setDirty = false;
       let setValid = true;
 
-      //id 0 means create a new record don't load one
+      //id 0 means create or duplicate to new
       if (vm.$route.params.recordid != 0) {
         //is there already an obj from a prior operation?
         if (this.$route.params.obj) {
diff --git a/ayanova/src/views/acc-tax-code.vue b/ayanova/src/views/acc-tax-code.vue
index 6a3be2d2..bf4d2392 100644
--- a/ayanova/src/views/acc-tax-code.vue
+++ b/ayanova/src/views/acc-tax-code.vue
@@ -182,7 +182,7 @@ export default {
       let setDirty = false;
       let setValid = true;
 
-      //id 0 means create a new record don't load one
+      //id 0 means create or duplicate to new
       if (vm.$route.params.recordid != 0) {
         //is there already an obj from a prior operation?
         if (this.$route.params.obj) {
diff --git a/ayanova/src/views/acc-travel-rate.vue b/ayanova/src/views/acc-travel-rate.vue
index 41b4ed19..2dd803ee 100644
--- a/ayanova/src/views/acc-travel-rate.vue
+++ b/ayanova/src/views/acc-travel-rate.vue
@@ -218,7 +218,7 @@ export default {
       let setDirty = false;
       let setValid = true;
 
-      //id 0 means create a new record don't load one
+      //id 0 means create or duplicate to new
       if (vm.$route.params.recordid != 0) {
         //is there already an obj from a prior operation?
         if (this.$route.params.obj) {
diff --git a/ayanova/src/views/adm-translation.vue b/ayanova/src/views/adm-translation.vue
index 8b17984d..b47e5e57 100644
--- a/ayanova/src/views/adm-translation.vue
+++ b/ayanova/src/views/adm-translation.vue
@@ -162,7 +162,7 @@ export default {
       vm.formState.readOnly = !vm.rights.change;
       window.$gz.eventBus.$on("menu-click", clickHandler);
 
-      //id 0 means create a new record don't load one
+      //id 0 means create or duplicate to new
       if (vm.$route.params.recordid != 0) {
         //is there already an obj from a prior operation?
         if (this.$route.params.obj) {
diff --git a/ayanova/src/views/adm-user.vue b/ayanova/src/views/adm-user.vue
index bf052611..c01a9252 100644
--- a/ayanova/src/views/adm-user.vue
+++ b/ayanova/src/views/adm-user.vue
@@ -433,7 +433,7 @@ export default {
       vm.formState.readOnly = !vm.rights.change;
       window.$gz.eventBus.$on("menu-click", clickHandler);
 
-      //id 0 means create a new record don't load one
+      //id 0 means create or duplicate to new
       if (vm.$route.params.recordid != 0) {
         //is there already an obj from a prior operation?
         if (this.$route.params.obj) {
diff --git a/ayanova/src/views/ay-report-edit.vue b/ayanova/src/views/ay-report-edit.vue
index 29c658c0..c08b6abd 100644
--- a/ayanova/src/views/ay-report-edit.vue
+++ b/ayanova/src/views/ay-report-edit.vue
@@ -317,7 +317,7 @@ export default {
       vm.formState.readOnly = !vm.rights.change;
       window.$gz.eventBus.$on("menu-click", clickHandler);
 
-      // //id 0 means create a new record don't load one
+      // //id 0 means create or duplicate to new
       // if (vm.$route.params.recordid != 0) {
       //   //is there already an obj from a prior operation?
       //   if (vm.$route.params.obj) {
@@ -347,7 +347,7 @@ export default {
       let setDirty = false;
       let setValid = true;
 
-      //id 0 means create a new record don't load one
+      //id 0 means create or duplicate to new
       if (vm.$route.params.recordid != 0) {
         //is there already an obj from a prior operation?
         if (this.$route.params.obj) {
diff --git a/ayanova/src/views/cust-customer-note.vue b/ayanova/src/views/cust-customer-note.vue
index 69637766..6375a515 100644
--- a/ayanova/src/views/cust-customer-note.vue
+++ b/ayanova/src/views/cust-customer-note.vue
@@ -85,7 +85,7 @@ export default {
       vm.rights = window.$gz.role.getRights(window.$gz.type.CustomerNote);
       vm.formState.readOnly = !vm.rights.change;
       window.$gz.eventBus.$on("menu-click", clickHandler);
-      //id 0 means create a new record don't load one
+      //id 0 means create or duplicate to new
       if (vm.$route.params.recordid != 0) {
         //is there already an obj from a prior operation?
         if (this.$route.params.obj) {
diff --git a/ayanova/src/views/cust-customer.vue b/ayanova/src/views/cust-customer.vue
index c471a1ac..da2a929c 100644
--- a/ayanova/src/views/cust-customer.vue
+++ b/ayanova/src/views/cust-customer.vue
@@ -767,7 +767,7 @@ export default {
       let setDirty = false;
       let setValid = true;
 
-      //id 0 means create a new record don't load one
+      //id 0 means create or duplicate to new
       if (vm.$route.params.recordid != 0) {
         //is there already an obj from a prior operation?
         if (this.$route.params.obj) {
diff --git a/ayanova/src/views/cust-head-office.vue b/ayanova/src/views/cust-head-office.vue
index b7fc6355..499b1377 100644
--- a/ayanova/src/views/cust-head-office.vue
+++ b/ayanova/src/views/cust-head-office.vue
@@ -677,7 +677,7 @@ export default {
       let setDirty = false;
       let setValid = true;
 
-      //id 0 means create a new record don't load one
+      //id 0 means create or duplicate to new
       if (vm.$route.params.recordid != 0) {
         //is there already an obj from a prior operation?
         if (this.$route.params.obj) {
diff --git a/ayanova/src/views/cust-user.vue b/ayanova/src/views/cust-user.vue
index 4c18ca7f..de308ab9 100644
--- a/ayanova/src/views/cust-user.vue
+++ b/ayanova/src/views/cust-user.vue
@@ -419,7 +419,7 @@ export default {
       vm.formState.readOnly = !vm.rights.change;
       window.$gz.eventBus.$on("menu-click", clickHandler);
 
-      //id 0 means create a new record don't load one
+      //id 0 means create or duplicate to new
       if (vm.$route.params.recordid != 0) {
         //is there already an obj from a prior operation?
         if (this.$route.params.obj) {
diff --git a/ayanova/src/views/customer-csr-edit.vue b/ayanova/src/views/customer-csr-edit.vue
index c6b2c6c4..941b43af 100644
--- a/ayanova/src/views/customer-csr-edit.vue
+++ b/ayanova/src/views/customer-csr-edit.vue
@@ -276,7 +276,7 @@ export default {
       vm.formState.readOnly = !vm.rights.change || vm.obj.status != 0;
       window.$gz.eventBus.$on("menu-click", clickHandler);
 
-      //id 0 means create a new record don't load one
+      //id 0 means create or duplicate to new
       if (vm.$route.params.recordid != 0) {
         //is there already an obj from a prior operation?
         if (this.$route.params.obj) {
diff --git a/ayanova/src/views/home-memo.vue b/ayanova/src/views/home-memo.vue
index 41bee1f2..2cbfc44e 100644
--- a/ayanova/src/views/home-memo.vue
+++ b/ayanova/src/views/home-memo.vue
@@ -184,7 +184,7 @@ export default {
       vm.formState.readOnly = false; //can always do things with your own memos
       window.$gz.eventBus.$on("menu-click", clickHandler);
 
-      //id 0 means create a new record don't load one
+      //id 0 means create or duplicate to new
       if (vm.$route.params.recordid != 0) {
         vm.composing = false;
         //is there already an obj from a prior operation?
diff --git a/ayanova/src/views/home-notify-subscription.vue b/ayanova/src/views/home-notify-subscription.vue
index cce5ff97..1267c309 100644
--- a/ayanova/src/views/home-notify-subscription.vue
+++ b/ayanova/src/views/home-notify-subscription.vue
@@ -203,7 +203,7 @@ export default {
       vm.formState.readOnly = !vm.rights.change;
       window.$gz.eventBus.$on("menu-click", clickHandler);
 
-      // //id 0 means create a new record don't load one
+      // //id 0 means create or duplicate to new
       // if (vm.$route.params.recordid != 0) {
       //   //is there already an obj from a prior operation?
       //   if (this.$route.params.obj) {
@@ -227,7 +227,7 @@ export default {
       let setDirty = false;
       let setValid = true;
 
-      //id 0 means create a new record don't load one
+      //id 0 means create or duplicate to new
       if (vm.$route.params.recordid != 0) {
         //is there already an obj from a prior operation?
         if (this.$route.params.obj) {
diff --git a/ayanova/src/views/home-reminder.vue b/ayanova/src/views/home-reminder.vue
index aecf728e..1ea6751b 100644
--- a/ayanova/src/views/home-reminder.vue
+++ b/ayanova/src/views/home-reminder.vue
@@ -155,7 +155,7 @@ export default {
       vm.formState.readOnly = !vm.rights.change;
       window.$gz.eventBus.$on("menu-click", clickHandler);
 
-      // //id 0 means create a new record don't load one
+      // //id 0 means create or duplicate to new
       // if (vm.$route.params.recordid != 0) {
       //   //is there already an obj from a prior operation?
       //   if (this.$route.params.obj) {
@@ -192,7 +192,7 @@ export default {
       let setDirty = false;
       let setValid = true;
 
-      //id 0 means create a new record don't load one
+      //id 0 means create or duplicate to new
       if (vm.$route.params.recordid != 0) {
         //is there already an obj from a prior operation?
         if (this.$route.params.obj) {
diff --git a/ayanova/src/views/home-review.vue b/ayanova/src/views/home-review.vue
index f644252f..af088f00 100644
--- a/ayanova/src/views/home-review.vue
+++ b/ayanova/src/views/home-review.vue
@@ -194,7 +194,7 @@ export default {
       let setDirty = false;
       let setValid = true;
 
-      //id 0 means create a new record don't load one
+      //id 0 means create or duplicate to new
       if (vm.$route.params.recordid != 0) {
         //is there already an obj from a prior operation?
         if (this.$route.params.obj) {
diff --git a/ayanova/src/views/home-user-settings.vue b/ayanova/src/views/home-user-settings.vue
index 0734fbe0..5935f219 100644
--- a/ayanova/src/views/home-user-settings.vue
+++ b/ayanova/src/views/home-user-settings.vue
@@ -207,7 +207,7 @@ export default {
       //SO NOT FOR EDITING OTHER USERS, WILL ASSUME THE USER EDITOR FORM FOR MANAGEMENT WILL HAVE A COMPACT VERSION
       //OF THESE SAME FIELDS FOR THAT PURPOSE
       //SO ALWAYS USER CURRENT LOGGED IN USER ID FOR THIS
-      //id 0 means create a new record don't load one but thats not applicable here
+      //id 0 means create or duplicate to new but thats not applicable here
 
       await vm.getDataFromApi();
     } catch (err) {
diff --git a/ayanova/src/views/inv-part-assembly.vue b/ayanova/src/views/inv-part-assembly.vue
index 827a5aa3..1d72fe32 100644
--- a/ayanova/src/views/inv-part-assembly.vue
+++ b/ayanova/src/views/inv-part-assembly.vue
@@ -292,7 +292,7 @@ export default {
       let setDirty = false;
       let setValid = true;
 
-      //id 0 means create a new record don't load one
+      //id 0 means create or duplicate to new
       if (vm.$route.params.recordid != 0) {
         //is there already an obj from a prior operation?
         if (this.$route.params.obj) {
diff --git a/ayanova/src/views/inv-part-serials.vue b/ayanova/src/views/inv-part-serials.vue
index 5d3b39b8..d6e5398a 100644
--- a/ayanova/src/views/inv-part-serials.vue
+++ b/ayanova/src/views/inv-part-serials.vue
@@ -89,7 +89,7 @@ export default {
       vm.formState.readOnly = !vm.rights.change;
       window.$gz.eventBus.$on("menu-click", clickHandler);
 
-      //id 0 means create a new record don't load one
+      //id 0 means create or duplicate to new
       if (vm.$route.params.recordid == 0) {
         throw "Invalid partid";
       } else {
diff --git a/ayanova/src/views/inv-part-stock-levels.vue b/ayanova/src/views/inv-part-stock-levels.vue
index 4de23a45..b4da63f9 100644
--- a/ayanova/src/views/inv-part-stock-levels.vue
+++ b/ayanova/src/views/inv-part-stock-levels.vue
@@ -118,7 +118,7 @@ export default {
       vm.formState.readOnly = !vm.rights.change;
       window.$gz.eventBus.$on("menu-click", clickHandler);
 
-      //id 0 means create a new record don't load one
+      //id 0 means create or duplicate to new
       if (vm.$route.params.recordid == 0) {
         throw "Invalid partid";
       } else {
diff --git a/ayanova/src/views/inv-part-warehouse.vue b/ayanova/src/views/inv-part-warehouse.vue
index e01fd406..de06add3 100644
--- a/ayanova/src/views/inv-part-warehouse.vue
+++ b/ayanova/src/views/inv-part-warehouse.vue
@@ -123,7 +123,7 @@ export default {
       let setDirty = false;
       let setValid = true;
 
-      //id 0 means create a new record don't load one
+      //id 0 means create or duplicate to new
       if (vm.$route.params.recordid != 0) {
         //is there already an obj from a prior operation?
         if (this.$route.params.obj) {
diff --git a/ayanova/src/views/inv-part.vue b/ayanova/src/views/inv-part.vue
index beaa2448..1a28d0b9 100644
--- a/ayanova/src/views/inv-part.vue
+++ b/ayanova/src/views/inv-part.vue
@@ -327,7 +327,7 @@ export default {
       let setDirty = false;
       let setValid = true;
 
-      //id 0 means create a new record don't load one
+      //id 0 means create or duplicate to new
       if (vm.$route.params.recordid != 0) {
         //is there already an obj from a prior operation?
         if (this.$route.params.obj) {
diff --git a/ayanova/src/views/inv-purchase-order.vue b/ayanova/src/views/inv-purchase-order.vue
index f12cc9cc..eca3c80b 100644
--- a/ayanova/src/views/inv-purchase-order.vue
+++ b/ayanova/src/views/inv-purchase-order.vue
@@ -842,7 +842,7 @@ export default {
       vm.formState.readOnly = !vm.rights.change;
       window.$gz.eventBus.$on("menu-click", clickHandler);
 
-      //id 0 means create a new record don't load one
+      //id 0 means create or duplicate to new
       if (vm.$route.params.recordid != 0) {
         //is there already an obj from a prior operation?
         if (this.$route.params.obj) {
diff --git a/ayanova/src/views/svc-contract.vue b/ayanova/src/views/svc-contract.vue
index d2c56e59..a53c794e 100644
--- a/ayanova/src/views/svc-contract.vue
+++ b/ayanova/src/views/svc-contract.vue
@@ -1335,7 +1335,7 @@ export default {
       let setDirty = false;
       let setValid = true;
 
-      //id 0 means create a new record don't load one
+      //id 0 means create or duplicate to new
       if (vm.$route.params.recordid != 0) {
         //is there already an obj from a prior operation?
         if (this.$route.params.obj) {
diff --git a/ayanova/src/views/svc-csr.vue b/ayanova/src/views/svc-csr.vue
index d78c3dc8..62251d18 100644
--- a/ayanova/src/views/svc-csr.vue
+++ b/ayanova/src/views/svc-csr.vue
@@ -270,7 +270,7 @@ export default {
       vm.formState.readOnly = !vm.rights.change || vm.obj.status != 0;
       window.$gz.eventBus.$on("menu-click", clickHandler);
 
-      //id 0 means create a new record don't load one
+      //id 0 means create or duplicate to new
       if (vm.$route.params.recordid != 0) {
         //is there already an obj from a prior operation?
         if (this.$route.params.obj) {
diff --git a/ayanova/src/views/svc-loaner.vue b/ayanova/src/views/svc-loaner.vue
index 80e5fc68..403062c9 100644
--- a/ayanova/src/views/svc-loaner.vue
+++ b/ayanova/src/views/svc-loaner.vue
@@ -446,7 +446,7 @@ export default {
       let setDirty = false;
       let setValid = true;
 
-      //id 0 means create a new record don't load one
+      //id 0 means create or duplicate to new
       if (vm.$route.params.recordid != 0) {
         //is there already an obj from a prior operation?
         if (this.$route.params.obj) {
diff --git a/ayanova/src/views/svc-project.vue b/ayanova/src/views/svc-project.vue
index 40840bee..e13f5195 100644
--- a/ayanova/src/views/svc-project.vue
+++ b/ayanova/src/views/svc-project.vue
@@ -199,7 +199,7 @@ export default {
       let setDirty = false;
       let setValid = true;
 
-      //id 0 means create a new record don't load one
+      //id 0 means create or duplicate to new
       if (vm.$route.params.recordid != 0) {
         //is there already an obj from a prior operation?
         if (this.$route.params.obj) {
diff --git a/ayanova/src/views/svc-task-group.vue b/ayanova/src/views/svc-task-group.vue
index 8c3b44b6..69659716 100644
--- a/ayanova/src/views/svc-task-group.vue
+++ b/ayanova/src/views/svc-task-group.vue
@@ -238,7 +238,7 @@ export default {
       vm.formState.readOnly = !vm.rights.change;
       window.$gz.eventBus.$on("menu-click", clickHandler);
 
-      //id 0 means create a new record don't load one
+      //id 0 means create or duplicate to new
       if (vm.$route.params.recordid != 0) {
         //is there already an obj from a prior operation?
         if (this.$route.params.obj) {
diff --git a/ayanova/src/views/svc-unit-model.vue b/ayanova/src/views/svc-unit-model.vue
index 92f7b2d3..a078bdad 100644
--- a/ayanova/src/views/svc-unit-model.vue
+++ b/ayanova/src/views/svc-unit-model.vue
@@ -283,7 +283,7 @@ export default {
       let setDirty = false;
       let setValid = true;
 
-      //id 0 means create a new record don't load one
+      //id 0 means create or duplicate to new
       if (vm.$route.params.recordid != 0) {
         //is there already an obj from a prior operation?
         if (this.$route.params.obj) {
diff --git a/ayanova/src/views/svc-unit.vue b/ayanova/src/views/svc-unit.vue
index 3198aefc..862fed82 100644
--- a/ayanova/src/views/svc-unit.vue
+++ b/ayanova/src/views/svc-unit.vue
@@ -740,7 +740,7 @@ export default {
       let setDirty = false;
       let setValid = true;
 
-      //id 0 means create a new record don't load one
+      //id 0 means create or duplicate to new
       if (vm.$route.params.recordid != 0) {
         //is there already an obj from a prior operation?
         if (this.$route.params.obj) {
diff --git a/ayanova/src/views/svc-work-order-item-priorities-edit.vue b/ayanova/src/views/svc-work-order-item-priorities-edit.vue
index 47670bcc..a3cc2d6e 100644
--- a/ayanova/src/views/svc-work-order-item-priorities-edit.vue
+++ b/ayanova/src/views/svc-work-order-item-priorities-edit.vue
@@ -79,7 +79,7 @@ export default {
       vm.formState.readOnly = !vm.rights.change;
       window.$gz.eventBus.$on("menu-click", clickHandler);
 
-      //id 0 means create a new record don't load one
+      //id 0 means create or duplicate to new
       if (vm.$route.params.recordid != 0) {
         //is there already an obj from a prior operation?
         if (this.$route.params.obj) {
diff --git a/ayanova/src/views/svc-work-order-item-status-edit.vue b/ayanova/src/views/svc-work-order-item-status-edit.vue
index 0a48eec2..fb44ab7e 100644
--- a/ayanova/src/views/svc-work-order-item-status-edit.vue
+++ b/ayanova/src/views/svc-work-order-item-status-edit.vue
@@ -96,7 +96,7 @@ export default {
       vm.formState.readOnly = !vm.rights.change;
       window.$gz.eventBus.$on("menu-click", clickHandler);
 
-      //id 0 means create a new record don't load one
+      //id 0 means create or duplicate to new
       if (vm.$route.params.recordid != 0) {
         //is there already an obj from a prior operation?
         if (this.$route.params.obj) {
diff --git a/ayanova/src/views/svc-work-order-status-edit.vue b/ayanova/src/views/svc-work-order-status-edit.vue
index 5f6f7ac6..745bdca1 100644
--- a/ayanova/src/views/svc-work-order-status-edit.vue
+++ b/ayanova/src/views/svc-work-order-status-edit.vue
@@ -140,7 +140,7 @@ export default {
       vm.formState.readOnly = !vm.rights.change;
       window.$gz.eventBus.$on("menu-click", clickHandler);
 
-      //id 0 means create a new record don't load one
+      //id 0 means create or duplicate to new
       if (vm.$route.params.recordid != 0) {
         //is there already an obj from a prior operation?
         if (this.$route.params.obj) {
diff --git a/ayanova/src/views/svc-workorder.vue b/ayanova/src/views/svc-workorder.vue
index abff6bb5..974df54b 100644
--- a/ayanova/src/views/svc-workorder.vue
+++ b/ayanova/src/views/svc-workorder.vue
@@ -66,9 +66,12 @@ export default {
       //set base rights
       vm.rights = window.$gz.role.getRights(window.$gz.type.WorkOrder);
       window.$gz.eventBus.$on("menu-click", clickHandler);
+      let setDirty = false;
+      let setValid = true;
 
-      //id 0 means create a new record don't load one
+      //id 0 means create or duplicate to new
       if (vm.$route.params.recordid != 0) {
+        //open existing path
         //is there already an obj from a prior operation?
         if (this.$route.params.obj) {
           //yes, no need to fetch it
@@ -82,19 +85,88 @@ export default {
           await vm.getDataFromApi(vm.$route.params.recordid); //let getdata handle loading
         }
       } else {
-        //NEW
-        this.formState.loading = false;
-        this.formState.ready = true;
-        //trigger rule breaking / validation
-        this.$nextTick(() => {
-          this.obj.customerId = null;
-          this.fieldValueChanged(`customerId`);
-        });
+        //new path
+        if (this.$route.params.obj) {
+          //DUPLICATE
+          this.obj = this.$route.params.obj;
+          this.obj.concurrency = undefined;
+          this.obj.id = 0;
+          this.obj.serial = 0;
+          this.obj.isDirty = true;
+          vm.obj.items.forEach(z => {
+            z.id = 0;
+            z.concurrency = undefined;
+            z.workOrderId = 0;
+            z.isDirty = true;
+            z.expenses.forEach(x => {
+              x.id = 0;
+              x.concurrency = undefined;
+              x.isDirty = true;
+            });
+            z.labors.forEach(x => {
+              x.id = 0;
+              x.concurrency = undefined;
+              x.isDirty = true;
+            });
+            z.loans.forEach(x => {
+              x.id = 0;
+              x.concurrency = undefined;
+              x.isDirty = true;
+            });
+            z.parts.forEach(x => {
+              x.id = 0;
+              x.concurrency = undefined;
+              x.isDirty = true;
+            });
+            z.partRequests.forEach(x => {
+              x.id = 0;
+              x.concurrency = undefined;
+              x.isDirty = true;
+            });
+            z.scheduledUsers.forEach(x => {
+              x.id = 0;
+              x.concurrency = undefined;
+              x.isDirty = true;
+            });
+            z.tasks.forEach(x => {
+              x.id = 0;
+              x.concurrency = undefined;
+              x.isDirty = true;
+            });
+            z.travels.forEach(x => {
+              x.id = 0;
+              x.concurrency = undefined;
+              x.isDirty = true;
+            });
+            z.units.forEach(x => {
+              x.id = 0;
+              x.concurrency = undefined;
+              x.isDirty = true;
+            });
+            z.outsideServices.forEach(x => {
+              x.id = 0;
+              x.concurrency = undefined;
+              x.isDirty = true;
+            });
+          });
+          setDirty = true;
+        } else {
+          //NEW
+          this.formState.loading = false;
+          this.formState.ready = true;
+          //trigger rule breaking / validation
+          this.$nextTick(() => {
+            this.obj.customerId = null;
+            this.fieldValueChanged(`customerId`);
+          });
+        }
       }
+
       window.$gz.form.setFormState({
         vm: vm,
-        dirty: false,
-        valid: true
+        loading: false,
+        dirty: setDirty,
+        valid: setValid
       });
 
       //update which areas are available to user and force generate menu
@@ -645,41 +717,16 @@ export default {
       }
     },
     async duplicate() {
-      let vm = this;
-      if (!vm.canDuplicate || vm.$route.params.recordid == 0) {
-        return;
-      }
-      window.$gz.form.setFormState({
-        vm: vm,
-        loading: true
-      });
-      let url = API_BASE_URL + "duplicate/" + vm.$route.params.recordid;
-
-      try {
-        window.$gz.form.deleteAllErrorBoxErrors(vm);
-        let res = await window.$gz.api.upsert(url);
-        if (res.error) {
-          vm.formState.serverError = res.error;
-          window.$gz.form.setErrorBoxErrors(vm);
-        } else {
-          //Navigate to new record
-          this.$router.push({
-            name: "workorder-edit",
-            params: {
-              recordid: res.data.id,
-              obj: res.data // Pass data object to new form
-            }
-          });
+      //Navigate to new record
+      this.$router.push({
+        name: "workorder-edit",
+        params: {
+          recordid: 0,
+          obj: this.obj
         }
-      } catch (ex) {
-        window.$gz.errorHandler.handleFormError(ex, vm);
-      } finally {
-        window.$gz.form.setFormState({
-          vm: vm,
-          loading: false
-        });
-      }
+      });
     }
+
     //end methods
   }
 };
diff --git a/ayanova/src/views/vendor.vue b/ayanova/src/views/vendor.vue
index 56e0d82e..e24e41e7 100644
--- a/ayanova/src/views/vendor.vue
+++ b/ayanova/src/views/vendor.vue
@@ -602,7 +602,7 @@ export default {
       let setDirty = false;
       let setValid = true;
 
-      //id 0 means create a new record don't load one
+      //id 0 means create or duplicate to new
       if (vm.$route.params.recordid != 0) {
         //is there already an obj from a prior operation?
         if (this.$route.params.obj) {
diff --git a/ayanova/src/views/widget.vue b/ayanova/src/views/widget.vue
index 30b712ac..2af3a7fb 100644
--- a/ayanova/src/views/widget.vue
+++ b/ayanova/src/views/widget.vue
@@ -250,37 +250,75 @@ export default {
       vm.formState.readOnly = !vm.rights.change;
       window.$gz.eventBus.$on("menu-click", clickHandler);
 
-      //id 0 means create a new record don't load one
+      // //id 0 means create or duplicate to new
+      // if (vm.$route.params.recordid != 0) {
+      //   //is there already an obj from a prior operation?
+      //   if (this.$route.params.obj) {
+      //     //yes, no need to fetch it
+      //     this.obj = this.$route.params.obj;
+      //     window.$gz.form.setFormState({
+      //       vm: vm,
+      //       loading: false
+      //     });
+      //   } else {
+      //     await vm.getDataFromApi(vm.$route.params.recordid); //let getdata handle loading
+      //   }
+      // } else {
+      //   //----------------------------------------------------------
+      //   //NEW OBJECT DEFAULTS
+      //   let defaultDates = window.$gz.locale.defaultStartDateTime(
+      //     window.$gz.type.Widget
+      //   );
+      //   vm.obj.startDate = defaultDates.start;
+      //   vm.obj.endDate = defaultDates.end;
+      //   //----------------------------------------------------------
+      //   window.$gz.form.setFormState({
+      //     vm: vm,
+      //     loading: false
+      //   });
+      // }
+      // window.$gz.form.setFormState({
+      //   vm: vm,
+      //   dirty: false,
+      //   valid: true
+      // });
+
+      let setDirty = false;
+      let setValid = true;
+
+      //id 0 means create or duplicate to new
       if (vm.$route.params.recordid != 0) {
         //is there already an obj from a prior operation?
         if (this.$route.params.obj) {
           //yes, no need to fetch it
           this.obj = this.$route.params.obj;
-          window.$gz.form.setFormState({
-            vm: vm,
-            loading: false
-          });
         } else {
           await vm.getDataFromApi(vm.$route.params.recordid); //let getdata handle loading
         }
       } else {
-        //----------------------------------------------------------
-        //NEW OBJECT DEFAULTS
-        let defaultDates = window.$gz.locale.defaultStartDateTime(
-          window.$gz.type.Widget
-        );
-        vm.obj.startDate = defaultDates.start;
-        vm.obj.endDate = defaultDates.end;
-        //----------------------------------------------------------
-        window.$gz.form.setFormState({
-          vm: vm,
-          loading: false
-        });
+        //Might be a duplicate and contain another record
+        if (this.$route.params.obj) {
+          this.obj = this.$route.params.obj;
+          this.obj.concurrency = undefined;
+          this.obj.id = 0;
+          setDirty = true;
+        } else {
+          //----------------------------------------------------------
+          //NEW OBJECT DEFAULTS
+          let defaultDates = window.$gz.locale.defaultStartDateTime(
+            window.$gz.type.Widget
+          );
+          vm.obj.startDate = defaultDates.start;
+          vm.obj.endDate = defaultDates.end;
+          //----------------------------------------------------------
+        }
       }
+
       window.$gz.form.setFormState({
         vm: vm,
-        dirty: false,
-        valid: true
+        loading: false,
+        dirty: setDirty,
+        valid: setValid
       });
 
       generateMenu(vm);
@@ -544,40 +582,14 @@ export default {
       }
     },
     async duplicate() {
-      let vm = this;
-      if (!vm.canDuplicate || vm.$route.params.recordid == 0) {
-        return;
-      }
-      window.$gz.form.setFormState({
-        vm: vm,
-        loading: true
-      });
-      let url = API_BASE_URL + "duplicate/" + vm.$route.params.recordid;
-
-      try {
-        window.$gz.form.deleteAllErrorBoxErrors(vm);
-        let res = await window.$gz.api.upsert(url);
-        if (res.error) {
-          vm.formState.serverError = res.error;
-          window.$gz.form.setErrorBoxErrors(vm);
-        } else {
-          //Navigate to new record
-          this.$router.push({
-            name: "widget-edit",
-            params: {
-              recordid: res.data.id,
-              obj: res.data // Pass data object to new form
-            }
-          });
+      //Navigate to new record
+      this.$router.push({
+        name: "widget-edit",
+        params: {
+          recordid: 0,
+          obj: this.obj
         }
-      } catch (ex) {
-        window.$gz.errorHandler.handleFormError(ex, vm);
-      } finally {
-        window.$gz.form.setFormState({
-          vm: vm,
-          loading: false
-        });
-      }
+      });
     }
   }
 };