diff --git a/ayanova/src/api/gzform.js b/ayanova/src/api/gzform.js
index cea61403..db4986a1 100644
--- a/ayanova/src/api/gzform.js
+++ b/ayanova/src/api/gzform.js
@@ -758,6 +758,7 @@ export default {
       }
 
       if (newState.ready != null) {
+        console.log("gzform setting newstate ready to ", newState.ready);
         newState.vm.formState.ready = newState.ready;
       }
     });
diff --git a/ayanova/src/components/gz-data-table.vue b/ayanova/src/components/gz-data-table.vue
index 4a0a1c65..322e2518 100644
--- a/ayanova/src/components/gz-data-table.vue
+++ b/ayanova/src/components/gz-data-table.vue
@@ -842,7 +842,6 @@ function loadFormSettings(vm) {
     }
   }
 
-
   //process TEMP form settings
 
   if (formSettings.temp && formSettings.temp.page) {
diff --git a/ayanova/src/views/adm-user.vue b/ayanova/src/views/adm-user.vue
index cc74977e..2914a711 100644
--- a/ayanova/src/views/adm-user.vue
+++ b/ayanova/src/views/adm-user.vue
@@ -1,6 +1,8 @@
 <template>
   <v-container fluid>
     <gz-report-selector ref="reportSelector"></gz-report-selector>
+    {{ formState }}
+    {{ obj }}
     <h2 class="red--text">
       todo: revisit after add customer, ho, vendor to support usertypes
       customer,headoffice,contractor
@@ -233,21 +235,30 @@
 const FORM_KEY = "user-edit";
 const API_BASE_URL = "user/";
 const FORM_CUSTOM_TEMPLATE_KEY = "User";
-let InternalRouteChange = false;
 
 export default {
   async created() {
+    //created is called when the route is updated to show a new record even though we don't need to re-init again
+
     let vm = this;
     try {
       await initForm(vm);
 
       vm.rights = window.$gz.role.getRights(window.$gz.type.User);
-      vm.formState.readOnly = !vm.rights.change;
+      window.$gz.form.setFormState({
+        vm: vm,
+        readOnly: !vm.rights.change
+      });
+
       window.$gz.eventBus.$on("menu-click", clickHandler);
       //id 0 means create a new record don't load one
       if (vm.$route.params.recordid != 0) {
-         console.trace("created, calling get data from api irc=",InternalRouteChange)
-        vm.getDataFromApi(vm.$route.params.recordid);
+        //is there already an obj from a create?
+        if (this.$route.params.obj) {
+          this.obj = this.$route.params.obj;
+        } else {
+          vm.getDataFromApi(vm.$route.params.recordid);
+        }
       } else {
         //setup for new record
         //Update the form status
@@ -263,23 +274,20 @@ export default {
     } catch (error) {
       window.$gz.errorHandler.handleFormError(error, vm);
     } finally {
-      vm.formState.ready = true;
+      window.$gz.form.setFormState({
+        vm: vm,
+        ready: true
+      });
     }
   },
-  beforeRouteUpdate(to, from, next) {
-    //This triggers a fetch of the data when the ID value changes on the route
-    //which happens on duplicate, submit new record and change of active record id (backward nav/forward nav etc)
-    console.trace("beforeRouteUpdate irc=",InternalRouteChange)
-    if (!InternalRouteChange && to.params.recordid != 0) {
-      console.trace("beforeRouteUpdate, calling get data from api irc=",InternalRouteChange)
-      this.getDataFromApi(to.params.recordid);
-    }
-    next();
-    // react to route changes...
-    // don't forget to call next()
-    //reset flag
-    InternalRouteChange = false;
-  },
+  // beforeRouteUpdate(to, from, next) {
+  //   //This triggers a fetch of the data when the ID value changes on the route
+  //   //which happens on duplicate, submit new record and change of active record id (backward nav/forward nav etc)
+  //   if (to.params.recordid != 0) {
+  //     this.getDataFromApi(to.params.recordid);
+  //   }
+  //   next();
+  // },
   async beforeRouteLeave(to, from, next) {
     if (!this.formState.dirty || JUST_DELETED) {
       next();
@@ -339,7 +347,6 @@ export default {
   watch: {
     formState: {
       handler: function(val) {
-        //,oldval is available here too if necessary
         if (this.formState.loading) {
           return;
         }
@@ -395,14 +402,17 @@ export default {
     },
     async getDataFromApi(recordId) {
       let vm = this;
-      vm.formState.loading = true;
+      window.$gz.form.setFormState({
+        vm: vm,
+        loading: true
+      });
+
       if (!recordId) {
         throw FORM_KEY + "::getDataFromApi -> Missing recordID!";
       }
       let url = API_BASE_URL + recordId;
       try {
         window.$gz.form.deleteAllErrorBoxErrors(vm);
-
         let res = await window.$gz.api.get(url);
 
         if (res.error) {
@@ -441,55 +451,75 @@ export default {
     },
     async submit() {
       let vm = this;
-      if (vm.canSave) {
-        vm.formState.loading = true;
+      if (vm.canSave == false) {
+        return;
+      }
+
+      try {
+        window.$gz.form.setFormState({
+          vm: vm,
+          loading: true
+        });
         let url = API_BASE_URL;
+        //clear any errors vm might be around from previous submit
+        window.$gz.form.deleteAllErrorBoxErrors(vm);
 
-        try {
-          //clear any errors vm might be around from previous submit
-          window.$gz.form.deleteAllErrorBoxErrors(vm);
-
-          //add in password and login if changed
-          let submitObject = vm.obj;
-          if (vm.password != null && vm.password != "") {
-            submitObject.password = vm.password;
-          }
-          if (vm.login != null && vm.login != "") {
-            submitObject.login = vm.login;
-          }
-
-          if (submitObject.roles == null) {
-            submitObject.roles = 0;
-          }
-
-          let res = await window.$gz.api.upsert(url, submitObject);
-          vm.formState.loading = false;
-          if (res.error) {
-            vm.formState.serverError = res.error;
-            window.$gz.form.setErrorBoxErrors(vm);
-          } else {
-            //Logic for detecting if a post or put: if id then it was a post, if no id then it was a put
-            if (res.data.id) {
-              //Handle "post" of new record (CREATE)
-
-              //change url to new record in history
-              //NOTE: will not cause a page re-render, almost nothing does unless forced with a KEY property or using router.GO()
-              //but will trigger navigation guard beforeRouteUpdate which we use here in this form to fetch data freshly
-              InternalRouteChange = true;
-              vm.$router.replace(vm.$route.fullPath.slice(0, -1) + res.data.id);
-            } else {
-              //Handle "put" of an existing record (UPDATE)
-              vm.obj.concurrency = res.data.concurrency;
-              window.$gz.form.setFormState({
-                vm: vm,
-                dirty: false
-              });
-            }
-          }
-        } catch (error) {
-          vm.formState.loading = false;
-          window.$gz.errorHandler.handleFormError(error, vm);
+        //add in password and login if changed
+        let submitObject = vm.obj;
+        if (vm.password != null && vm.password != "") {
+          submitObject.password = vm.password;
         }
+        if (vm.login != null && vm.login != "") {
+          submitObject.login = vm.login;
+        }
+        if (submitObject.roles == null) {
+          submitObject.roles = 0;
+        }
+        let res = await window.$gz.api.upsert(url, submitObject);
+        if (res.error) {
+          vm.formState.serverError = res.error;
+          window.$gz.form.setErrorBoxErrors(vm);
+        } else {
+          //Logic for detecting if a post or put: if id then it was a post, if no id then it was a put
+          if (res.data.id) {
+            //POST - whole new object returned
+            vm.obj = res.data;
+            //change url to new record in history
+            //NOTE: will not cause a page re-render, almost nothing does unless forced with a KEY property or using router.GO()
+            //but will trigger navigation guard beforeRouteUpdate which we use here in this form to fetch data freshly so need a flag to prevent redundant fetch of record
+
+            // vm.$router.replace(vm.$route.fullPath.slice(0, -1) + res.data.id);
+            this.$router.push({
+              name: "adm-user",
+              params: {
+                recordid: res.data.id,
+                obj: res.data // Hidden data/state
+              }
+            });
+          } else {
+            //PUT - only concurrency token is returned (**warning, if server changes object other fields then this needs to act more like POST above but is more efficient this way**)
+            //Handle "put" of an existing record (UPDATE)
+            vm.obj.concurrency = res.data.concurrency;
+          }
+
+          //Update the form status
+          window.$gz.form.setFormState({
+            vm: vm,
+            dirty: false,
+            valid: true
+          });
+        }
+      } catch (ex) {
+        window.$gz.errorHandler.handleFormError(ex, vm);
+      } finally {
+        vm.formState.ready = true;
+        vm.formState.loading = false;
+
+        // window.$gz.form.setFormState({
+        //   vm: vm,
+        //   loading: false,
+        //   ready: true
+        // });
       }
     },
     async remove() {
@@ -501,7 +531,10 @@ export default {
         }
 
         //do the delete
-        vm.formState.loading = true;
+        window.$gz.form.setFormState({
+          vm: vm,
+          loading: true
+        });
         //No need to delete a new record, just abandon it...
         if (vm.$route.params.recordid == 0) {
           //this should not get offered for delete but to be safe and clear just in case:
@@ -524,13 +557,14 @@ export default {
             vm.$router.go(-1);
           }
         }
-      } catch (error) {
-        //Update the form status
+      } catch (ex) {
+        window.$gz.errorHandler.handleFormError(ex, vm);
+      } finally {
         window.$gz.form.setFormState({
           vm: vm,
-          loading: false
+          loading: false,
+          ready: true
         });
-        window.$gz.errorHandler.handleFormError(error, vm);
       }
     },
     async duplicate() {
@@ -538,7 +572,10 @@ export default {
       if (!vm.canDuplicate || vm.$route.params.recordid == 0) {
         return;
       }
-      vm.formState.loading = true;
+      window.$gz.form.setFormState({
+        vm: vm,
+        loading: true
+      });
       let url = API_BASE_URL + "duplicate/" + vm.$route.params.recordid;
 
       try {
@@ -557,9 +594,14 @@ export default {
             )
           );
         }
-      } catch (error) {
-        vm.formState.loading = false;
-        window.$gz.errorHandler.handleFormError(error, vm);
+      } catch (ex) {
+        window.$gz.errorHandler.handleFormError(ex, vm);
+      } finally {
+        window.$gz.form.setFormState({
+          vm: vm,
+          loading: false,
+          ready: true
+        });
       }
     }
   }
@@ -583,7 +625,7 @@ async function clickHandler(menuItem) {
         break;
       case "new":
         m.vm.$router.push({
-          name: "adm-usr",
+          name: "adm-user",
           params: { recordid: 0, new: true }
         });
         break;
diff --git a/ayanova/src/views/adm-users.vue b/ayanova/src/views/adm-users.vue
index ffb6f0de..bcb17b03 100644
--- a/ayanova/src/views/adm-users.vue
+++ b/ayanova/src/views/adm-users.vue
@@ -25,7 +25,7 @@ export default {
   data() {
     return {
       currentListViewId: 1,
-      dataListKey: "UserDataList", 
+      dataListKey: "UserDataList",
       dataListFilter: "",
       dataListSort: "",
       rights: window.$gz.role.defaultRightsObject()